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	<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 04:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on How to start, build, launch and market your first iPhone App in 28 days - Part 1 (The Enrollment) by garry</title>
		<link>http://blog.endloop.ca/blog/2009/06/12/how-to-start-build-launch-and-market-your-first-iphone-app-in-28-days-part-1-the-enrollment/#comment-1600</link>
		<dc:creator>garry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 18:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Leah,

Thanks, glad you like the article! You can apply for the developer program as an individual - you don't have to be a corporation. As far as I know, you shouldn't need a visa either, but if you're applying from the US, I'm sure they'll ask for your SSN or EIN for tax purposes.

Best of luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Leah,</p>
<p>Thanks, glad you like the article! You can apply for the developer program as an individual - you don&#8217;t have to be a corporation. As far as I know, you shouldn&#8217;t need a visa either, but if you&#8217;re applying from the US, I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;ll ask for your SSN or EIN for tax purposes.</p>
<p>Best of luck!</p>
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		<title>Comment on How to start, build, launch and market your first iPhone App in 28 days - Part 1 (The Enrollment) by leah</title>
		<link>http://blog.endloop.ca/blog/2009/06/12/how-to-start-build-launch-and-market-your-first-iphone-app-in-28-days-part-1-the-enrollment/#comment-1580</link>
		<dc:creator>leah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 22:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article! I'm wanting to start the app process but have a few questions. I'm a Canadian living and working in the US. Do I need a special visa to do an iphone app or can any individual build and sell one? I'm hoping I don't have to set up a company or investor visa. Any advice is greatly appreciated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article! I&#8217;m wanting to start the app process but have a few questions. I&#8217;m a Canadian living and working in the US. Do I need a special visa to do an iphone app or can any individual build and sell one? I&#8217;m hoping I don&#8217;t have to set up a company or investor visa. Any advice is greatly appreciated.</p>
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		<title>Comment on We&#8217;re hiring! by Toronto-based iPhone Developers endloop Are Hiring A Junior Developer &#124; Extra Future</title>
		<link>http://blog.endloop.ca/blog/2010/02/16/were-hiring/#comment-1549</link>
		<dc:creator>Toronto-based iPhone Developers endloop Are Hiring A Junior Developer &#124; Extra Future</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 19:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Friends of Extra Future and all-around good guys. I&#8217;d take the job myself if I had the Obj-C skills. [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on iPad&#8217;s secret weapon: 5 reasons why it&#8217;s ideal for productivity by Derek</title>
		<link>http://blog.endloop.ca/blog/2010/02/04/ipads-secret-weapon-5-reasons-why-its-ideal-for-productivity/#comment-1427</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 17:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="#comment-1425" rel="nofollow"&gt;@Ken Seto &lt;/a&gt; 

Don't get me wrong, I love productivity tools. My iPhone is full of them. ActionMethod, Evernote, Dropbox, followed by newspaper apps.

I'd disagree with it being a mini Microsoft Surface. The iPad doesn't have a flat back, so laying it down on a flat surface will cause it to rock (which could be a neat interaction if you use the accelerometer with it).

That said, the better interaction designers and developers will do great things. This device could be an interesting Open Sound Control device for DJs. Games could be awesome on it. Until I see some dedicated business applications I'm still gonna hang out in the consumption corner. Not saying I won't cross to the other corner. Hell, I'd love this device to be a creation AND consumption device.

So, I don't disagree with you (even though it sounds like I do), I think Apple created this device as a consumption device. That's how they demoed it. Even though they demoed an iPad version of iWork. It was mostly a for consumers demo. It was also pretty obvious that they're throwing this up as a Kindle replacement. Which I saw one yesterday and was absolutely blown away by how nice it is. The pictures on Amazon don't do it justice. Third party developers will work there magic and unfortunately the awesome applications will be buried under the 90% of fart apps, T&#38;A apps, the endless range of [insert any word imaginable] Wars apps.

I want the iPad to be awesome. I want the apps to fill in what I need. Aside from a reader for various forms of publishing, I'd love to see some killer project management. I've been playing with the SDK I'm getting better at Obj-C I've got some ideas for some apps. Maybe I'll fix the issues I have with it by simply building the apps I want to see. Huh, that sounds like a good idea actually. Thanks for allowing me the space to rant and solve my own problems. 

:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1425" rel="nofollow">@Ken Seto </a> </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I love productivity tools. My iPhone is full of them. ActionMethod, Evernote, Dropbox, followed by newspaper apps.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d disagree with it being a mini Microsoft Surface. The iPad doesn&#8217;t have a flat back, so laying it down on a flat surface will cause it to rock (which could be a neat interaction if you use the accelerometer with it).</p>
<p>That said, the better interaction designers and developers will do great things. This device could be an interesting Open Sound Control device for DJs. Games could be awesome on it. Until I see some dedicated business applications I&#8217;m still gonna hang out in the consumption corner. Not saying I won&#8217;t cross to the other corner. Hell, I&#8217;d love this device to be a creation AND consumption device.</p>
<p>So, I don&#8217;t disagree with you (even though it sounds like I do), I think Apple created this device as a consumption device. That&#8217;s how they demoed it. Even though they demoed an iPad version of iWork. It was mostly a for consumers demo. It was also pretty obvious that they&#8217;re throwing this up as a Kindle replacement. Which I saw one yesterday and was absolutely blown away by how nice it is. The pictures on Amazon don&#8217;t do it justice. Third party developers will work there magic and unfortunately the awesome applications will be buried under the 90% of fart apps, T&amp;A apps, the endless range of [insert any word imaginable] Wars apps.</p>
<p>I want the iPad to be awesome. I want the apps to fill in what I need. Aside from a reader for various forms of publishing, I&#8217;d love to see some killer project management. I&#8217;ve been playing with the SDK I&#8217;m getting better at Obj-C I&#8217;ve got some ideas for some apps. Maybe I&#8217;ll fix the issues I have with it by simply building the apps I want to see. Huh, that sounds like a good idea actually. Thanks for allowing me the space to rant and solve my own problems. </p>
<p> <img src='http://blog.endloop.ca/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>Comment on iPad&#8217;s secret weapon: 5 reasons why it&#8217;s ideal for productivity by Ken Seto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Seto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 16:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="#comment-1424" rel="nofollow"&gt;@Derek &lt;/a&gt; 

For your line of work Derek, it may not have the same kind of potential.  But not all productivity tools are about creating art assets.

As for multi-touch, like I said, by itself it's not new but I think there is huge potential for collaborative apps that take advantage of multi-touch that wasn't possible before on the iPhone.

Lay the iPad down on a coffee table and it's a mini Microsoft Surface except it's not $10K.  Having multiple people being able to manipulate different elements of an app at the same time could make for interesting and new workflow enhancements.

And if you design the app well, you can take advantage of the bigger screen without adding confusion.  

There's no reason to assume that iPad apps will be poorly designed.  The initial batch may need more tweaking but there are seriously talented designers and UX peeps in the iPhone dev space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1424" rel="nofollow">@Derek </a> </p>
<p>For your line of work Derek, it may not have the same kind of potential.  But not all productivity tools are about creating art assets.</p>
<p>As for multi-touch, like I said, by itself it&#8217;s not new but I think there is huge potential for collaborative apps that take advantage of multi-touch that wasn&#8217;t possible before on the iPhone.</p>
<p>Lay the iPad down on a coffee table and it&#8217;s a mini Microsoft Surface except it&#8217;s not $10K.  Having multiple people being able to manipulate different elements of an app at the same time could make for interesting and new workflow enhancements.</p>
<p>And if you design the app well, you can take advantage of the bigger screen without adding confusion.  </p>
<p>There&#8217;s no reason to assume that iPad apps will be poorly designed.  The initial batch may need more tweaking but there are seriously talented designers and UX peeps in the iPhone dev space.</p>
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		<title>Comment on iPad&#8217;s secret weapon: 5 reasons why it&#8217;s ideal for productivity by Derek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 16:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken, 

I see you're points and politely disagree. I commented on a blog post you twittered yesterday about the device being a consumption device and not a creatino device.

I'd like to start with point #5: don't talk about the IC until you get a chance to play with it. I don't care how custom this processor is. Or how hyped it is, until I get achance to run it through it's paces I could care less about Apple's tech specs.

Multi touch hasn't changed. This won't cause a shift in user experience. Especially considering most apps will be ports from the iphone apps. The interaction will remain the same.

Bigger screen = more stuff does not equal better user experience. It will equal confusion as there's now too much information on one screen.

Like I've said before, if creation to you is making spreadsheets, flowcharts, pie charts, slideshows than sure you may get some productivity out of this device. I don't. I write code. I do graphic design. I need to install various fonts, I need layout applications, I need graphics applications. I need a vector application. The iPad can't and won't do that. Therefore, it's not a creation device. For me.

I've also complained about the lack of Flash. It's stupid that they don't include it. It's also stupid they don't include Java, JavaFX, Silverlight, Ubiquity, open source video/audio codecs, or anything else we may use on the web. I can't use Fontstruct or Aviary as they're Flash. I can't look at Processing apps as they're Java. 

Finally, it comes down to Apple's business model. This device is not a phone. Which means people will be buying it for a certain reason: productivity, gaming, ereader, couch surfing. If it's for gaming the only apps come from the app store. Obviously. Which means I have to buy the app. If I can only use a credit card to buy an app still Apple can FOAD.

I've got so many problems with this device that I don't know where to start. And trust me, I'm not a Apple hater. You know that. There's almost every product Apple has made in my house. There isn't a single PC. I've been using Apple products since before OS X existed. This is a sit down at a bar kind of talking. Not a commenting in a blog post discussion.

That said, looking forward to what you guys come up with for the device.

Cheers,
Derek.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken, </p>
<p>I see you&#8217;re points and politely disagree. I commented on a blog post you twittered yesterday about the device being a consumption device and not a creatino device.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to start with point #5: don&#8217;t talk about the IC until you get a chance to play with it. I don&#8217;t care how custom this processor is. Or how hyped it is, until I get achance to run it through it&#8217;s paces I could care less about Apple&#8217;s tech specs.</p>
<p>Multi touch hasn&#8217;t changed. This won&#8217;t cause a shift in user experience. Especially considering most apps will be ports from the iphone apps. The interaction will remain the same.</p>
<p>Bigger screen = more stuff does not equal better user experience. It will equal confusion as there&#8217;s now too much information on one screen.</p>
<p>Like I&#8217;ve said before, if creation to you is making spreadsheets, flowcharts, pie charts, slideshows than sure you may get some productivity out of this device. I don&#8217;t. I write code. I do graphic design. I need to install various fonts, I need layout applications, I need graphics applications. I need a vector application. The iPad can&#8217;t and won&#8217;t do that. Therefore, it&#8217;s not a creation device. For me.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also complained about the lack of Flash. It&#8217;s stupid that they don&#8217;t include it. It&#8217;s also stupid they don&#8217;t include Java, JavaFX, Silverlight, Ubiquity, open source video/audio codecs, or anything else we may use on the web. I can&#8217;t use Fontstruct or Aviary as they&#8217;re Flash. I can&#8217;t look at Processing apps as they&#8217;re Java. </p>
<p>Finally, it comes down to Apple&#8217;s business model. This device is not a phone. Which means people will be buying it for a certain reason: productivity, gaming, ereader, couch surfing. If it&#8217;s for gaming the only apps come from the app store. Obviously. Which means I have to buy the app. If I can only use a credit card to buy an app still Apple can FOAD.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got so many problems with this device that I don&#8217;t know where to start. And trust me, I&#8217;m not a Apple hater. You know that. There&#8217;s almost every product Apple has made in my house. There isn&#8217;t a single PC. I&#8217;ve been using Apple products since before OS X existed. This is a sit down at a bar kind of talking. Not a commenting in a blog post discussion.</p>
<p>That said, looking forward to what you guys come up with for the device.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Derek.</p>
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		<title>Comment on iPad&#8217;s secret weapon: 5 reasons why it&#8217;s ideal for productivity by Frederik A.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frederik A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 22:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="#comment-1415" rel="nofollow"&gt;@Dave Coleman &lt;/a&gt; 
"There is no doubt in my mind that this is the laptop/desktop of the future."

@davecoleman I respect your opinion Dave, but you are wrong. Further, to make such a wild statement clearly shows that you are out of touch with reality. I think the main reason you and @kenseto and other like minded folks strongly advocate the iPad, is because first and foremost you are iPhone developers who see $$$ in this platform, and secondly because you are Apple fans.  I'm sure people will buy the iPad and your apps, but please for the love of God, don't get too ahead of yourselves with ideas of world takeover.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1415" rel="nofollow">@Dave Coleman </a><br />
&#8220;There is no doubt in my mind that this is the laptop/desktop of the future.&#8221;</p>
<p>@davecoleman I respect your opinion Dave, but you are wrong. Further, to make such a wild statement clearly shows that you are out of touch with reality. I think the main reason you and @kenseto and other like minded folks strongly advocate the iPad, is because first and foremost you are iPhone developers who see $$$ in this platform, and secondly because you are Apple fans.  I&#8217;m sure people will buy the iPad and your apps, but please for the love of God, don&#8217;t get too ahead of yourselves with ideas of world takeover.</p>
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		<title>Comment on iPad&#8217;s secret weapon: 5 reasons why it&#8217;s ideal for productivity by Ken Seto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Seto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 15:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="#comment-1416" rel="nofollow"&gt;@Jason J. &lt;/a&gt; 

Jason,

I'll address your points 1 by 1:

1. the iPad can be cradled in one hand, that's what the super-wide bezels are for, so you can hold it without touching the capacitative touchscreen.

2. I've also read that in portrait mode, you can thumb type but it's slower than the iphone due to the larger width.

3. You may be right here, we'll have to wait til we get one in our hands to see if it is that 'slippery'

Regards,
Ken Seto</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1416" rel="nofollow">@Jason J. </a> </p>
<p>Jason,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll address your points 1 by 1:</p>
<p>1. the iPad can be cradled in one hand, that&#8217;s what the super-wide bezels are for, so you can hold it without touching the capacitative touchscreen.</p>
<p>2. I&#8217;ve also read that in portrait mode, you can thumb type but it&#8217;s slower than the iphone due to the larger width.</p>
<p>3. You may be right here, we&#8217;ll have to wait til we get one in our hands to see if it is that &#8217;slippery&#8217;</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Ken Seto</p>
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		<title>Comment on iPad&#8217;s secret weapon: 5 reasons why it&#8217;s ideal for productivity by Jason J.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 15:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points but I have some real reservations about the iPad, including:

- Lack of ability to cradle it in one hand. The beauty of the iPhone is that you can have it sit in your hand and use the other hand for finger typing and navigation. The iPad is too big for this, so you'll either have to lay it down on a table or on your lap to type or navigate. This, by its very nature, will make the experience less personal and intimate.

- Lack of ability to thumb type. The iPad is too big to cradle in one hand and type with the other (see above) and too wide to hold with both hands and thumb type. Again, it seems that the only way to reliably use the keyboard is to lay it down on a surface or on your lap and resort to a typical two handed QWERTY typing method. Again, I think this will limit the usability and intimacy of the device. 

- Ergonomically, I believe the iPad may end up being very awkward to handle. Smooth edges and backplate may make gripping the device extremely difficult and I suspect we'll see lots of cases of dropped iPads and broken screens.


Since none of us have really handled it, let's wait to see if the ergonomics and utility of the iPad can match its potential.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points but I have some real reservations about the iPad, including:</p>
<p>- Lack of ability to cradle it in one hand. The beauty of the iPhone is that you can have it sit in your hand and use the other hand for finger typing and navigation. The iPad is too big for this, so you&#8217;ll either have to lay it down on a table or on your lap to type or navigate. This, by its very nature, will make the experience less personal and intimate.</p>
<p>- Lack of ability to thumb type. The iPad is too big to cradle in one hand and type with the other (see above) and too wide to hold with both hands and thumb type. Again, it seems that the only way to reliably use the keyboard is to lay it down on a surface or on your lap and resort to a typical two handed QWERTY typing method. Again, I think this will limit the usability and intimacy of the device. </p>
<p>- Ergonomically, I believe the iPad may end up being very awkward to handle. Smooth edges and backplate may make gripping the device extremely difficult and I suspect we&#8217;ll see lots of cases of dropped iPads and broken screens.</p>
<p>Since none of us have really handled it, let&#8217;s wait to see if the ergonomics and utility of the iPad can match its potential.</p>
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		<title>Comment on iPad&#8217;s secret weapon: 5 reasons why it&#8217;s ideal for productivity by Dave Coleman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 15:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Ken! I also have found it surprising that people are assuming that this is solely a media consumption device. Apple did brand it that way to some extent in Steve's keynote. However, your points draw light to the fact that maybe people are not ready for that leap yet and therefore Apple is marketing it this way in order to get this device in the mass market. There is no doubt in my mind  that this is the laptop/desktop of the future. Your points make it obvious and the inclusion of peripherals like the dock make it even less of a question in my books. I'm still holding back my 'real' post on the iPad until I get my hands on one (won't be too long I assume). 

-DC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Ken! I also have found it surprising that people are assuming that this is solely a media consumption device. Apple did brand it that way to some extent in Steve&#8217;s keynote. However, your points draw light to the fact that maybe people are not ready for that leap yet and therefore Apple is marketing it this way in order to get this device in the mass market. There is no doubt in my mind  that this is the laptop/desktop of the future. Your points make it obvious and the inclusion of peripherals like the dock make it even less of a question in my books. I&#8217;m still holding back my &#8216;real&#8217; post on the iPad until I get my hands on one (won&#8217;t be too long I assume). </p>
<p>-DC</p>
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